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Dolemite
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F(m) = 2m^4 + 4m^3 + 2m^2 + 1 is a perfect square for m = 1 and m = 3 (at which it takes the values 3^2 and 17^2, respectively). Are there other positive integer values of m which make F(m) a perfect square? If not, can you prove your assertion?
Any suggestions on tackling this problem?
Joseph L. Pe
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Terragen
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The only integer solutions for F(m) are 1, 9, and 289, corresponding respectively to m = {0,-1}, {1,-2}, and {3,-4}. So m=1 and m=3 are indeed the only positive integer values.
A complete proof can be found at:
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imported_Bojan
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KIND OF SPOILER - Method rather than Solution
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1) No. 2) Yes.
Curve sketching would probably be your best (and easiest) bet. A quartic like this will have 2 minimums, 1 maximum and two points of inflexion.
Exchanging f(m) for y and m for x:
x-intercepts [Use y = 0] y-intercepts [Use x = 0] local maxima [Use dy/dx = 0, look for sign change + to -] local minima [Use dy/dx = 0, look for sign change - to +] points of inflection [Use d2y/dx2 = 0, and the sign of d2y/dx2 changes]
You can then sketch y=x^2 over the top of this curve to deduce that the two lines will cross only twice for for positive x.
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NGR
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This only proves that the equation 2x^4 + 4x^3 + 2x^2 + 1 = x^2 has only 2 positive real roots.
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saintthomas
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The proof looks quite complex. Is there perhaps a simpler and more elegant proof?
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Mathew
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The question already specified that a) we were looking for positive integer solutions and b) that at least 2 existed, namely m=1 and m=3. Thus sketching the curve would show that there were only 2 positive real roots and further we can assume that these must be those already given. The question was to prove there were no others and the sketch does that.
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davidm
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The original problem can't be reduced to finding the intersections of the two curves in 2x^4 + 4x^3 + 2x^2 + 1 = x^2. As you already know, m = 1 and m = 3 are solutions, but they don't satisfy the above equation. (Try plugging in x = 1 or x = 3.) The problem is really to find lattice points (x,y) (i.e., points with integer coordinates) of y = sqrt(2x^4 + 4x^3 + 2x^2 + 1 = x^2).
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Chamrin
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F(m) = 2m^4 + 4m^3 + 2m^2 + 1
for m = 1, F(m) = 3^2 and for m = 3 , F(m) = 17^2 what you tried to show was that F(m) = m^2 has 2 postive real roots, clearly m=1 and m=3 are *not* roots of F(m) = m^2.
in fact we can easily show that for all m > 0 , F(m) > m^2 i.e F(m) = m^2 has *no* positive real roots.
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